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Interview with John Parsons, Friend of the Gray family

August 16, 2000 at 5:30 a.m. (Pacific Time)

Parsons:

I was down there during the night last night and I haven't been back but an hour an a half.

Pastor:

Are you able to get in there without being harassed?

Parsons:

I did last night.

Pastor:

Can I get specific instructions so that I can put the location on the web site?

Parsons:

Yeah, I can do that but understand that myself and about three other people are the only ones that have access to the Gray place. No one else is allowed in.

Pastor:

I can post that also?

Parsons:

Yes, if people want to go down there, at this point, it is best to space it out. Whatever else they choose to take with them, be sure to take cameras and that kind of gear. If there is something to take pictures of, they'll have them available.

To get to the Gray property, go on 274 to Trinidad. Go north out of Trinidad, maybe 4 or 5 miles. There is a road called Old River Road. Take a left on Old River Road.

From that point there will be a T junction, take a right. I think there is only one T, but if there is more than one, take another right. The road goes down toward the Trinity River. It will be apparent when you are there. Just follow the road along. It is paved until you go through a cattle gate, then it's just a sandy road. Go past a red barn and it's the first gate after you go past the red barn. It's probably 200 yards past the red barn. Road is close to the river, although you cannot see the river.

There is a house, I think, on both of the corners of the T. I know there is one on the right hand side and I think there is one on the left as well.

Pastor:

Is there anything you would like posted so that people will know about it?

Parsons:

No, if they want to do something, emphasize the picture taking. The other thing is that if they choose to call Bush's election campaign headquarters in Austin, they can do that. They can state that they are against this or whatever. In any case, it is a real stupid action.

If the State or whatever says they have nothing to do with it, that is just not the case. I have personal knowledge. The FBI is involved in it and I know that for a fact. I have spoken with some of their people personally and they have been down there. I know they are involved in it. Furthermore, the sheriff of either Anderson or Henderson County, said they are turning it over to the Federal authorities.

Pastor:

Why the Federal interest, I don't understand?

Parsons:

Because Mr. Gray has hosted militia meetings there before. There is no legal, legitimate reason to turn anything over to the Federal authorities, but when does that stop them.

Pastor:

Three years ago we lost our 34 acres because they claimed "this Church" shall pay property taxes. The difference is that we didn't have any guns. It was pretty easy for them to come in and take all the men to jail, though we had done nothing wrong.

Parsons:

This type of action, with some variations on the specifics, is likely to occur more and more and I think that eventually there will be some main street people who will suddenly find out that maybe they are on the wrong side and they are going to be saying, "What happened?"

"Well, you didn't act when you should have."

That is kind of the situation as it is. Because these people are standing up, it is now a good time for us all to stand up. This could be the focus of something larger and longer. Whatever the situation is, it is easier to stand up as a group than as an individual and certainly we need to pull with these people.

Pastor:

Is there going to be a good time when I can call you so that I can get a more detailed story.

Parsons:

Probably late afternoon because I am going to be going back down there and I will have more information and I shall surely be back by late afternoon.

Pastor:

I appreciate it. Tell the Grays, Pastor Revere and his family and following are praying for him.

Parsons:

I'm sure they will appreciate that.

Pastor:

Also tell John Joe I told the Houston Chronicle newspaper that I was going to pray for the secular people.

The reporter asked, "Aren't you going to pray for John Joe?"

"Not at this time, they are already saved."

Parsons:

That's very true.

Pastor:

It's the secular people who need salvation. I'm praying for them on this one. You might want to pass that on to the Grays.

Parsons:

Get the information out to as many as possible.

Pastor:

We're going to put as much as we can on our site because a lot of people will be visiting.

Parsons:

That's fine. The situation is taking place. I was down there last night. They (whoever they may be) do have up an observation post, probably the beginning of a command post. They also have a remote TV location setup and a remote listening post setup. I observed these with my own eyes.

Pastor:

When did this start?

Parsons:

Yesterday afternoon.

Pastor:

I heard you were the Grays neighbor. How far are you from the Grays?

Parsons:

I'm probably a little over an hour away.

Pastor:

I guess you need to get on your way.

Parsons:

Or close my eyes for a little while.

Pastor:

Do you have anything further?

Parsons:

If you check with me later this afternoon, we'll be going down there later today.

Pastor:

Okay. Thank you. His peace go with you.

Parsons:

I thank you, also. Good day.