What really bleeps is that these bleep's reproduce and have children. Not to say i'm not thankful they exist it's nice to see that there's at least a base for resisting the USG should they make any idiotic moves in law. These people are idealistic fanatics but hey every state needs a group.

I say just leave them alone and install some laser barriers and a couple cameras around the complex leave them alone then when anyone enters or exits the complex send out they'll send a signal and a helicopter to check it out. If sombody is leaving. pull em over.

I really don't think the people of texas or the US want to pay out any money for some sick blood bath or 90 day bar b que while the officers sit around and eat beef jerky all day just looking periodically with their binoculars for some signals. What a waste.

Waco was a big mound of bleep. We need to inject some common sense into our legal system to counter the imperfection of law. And we also need to be able to tolerate at least a little stupidity because it's simply not worth dead bodies. As far as i'm concerned you can't take the freedom of sombody willing to die to do what they want to do. You can kill them but unless they're out killling others it's simply not worth it.

posted August 30, 2000  12:11

don't blame it on Texas...

I think the government should stay out of this... but I also think these people are inbred nutcases with little to no understanding of anything beyond their own property.

Maybe instead of the government getting into it, we should just have a group of private citizens form an "anti-militia" group consisting of ninjas and snipers, and take bleeps like this out.

posted August 30, 2000  12:19

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Sure, and have all of those kids get killed by a bunch of yahoos with no training?

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My point exactly. The main reason the government has moved to take them out is that there are kids in the compound. No one wants another Waco.

-toshiro

posted August 30, 2000  12:35

So, PinheadX, the government should just stay out of this, eh? Despite both a charge of assault on an officer of the law and a custody judgement that these people refuse to recognize, the goverment should just stay out of it? Let them keep the kid? Let them get away with assault? Great plan you have there; after all, we wouldn't want to actually enforce the law or anything, now would we? [/sarcasm]

Serve the bleep warrants. If they don't appear in court, call in the state troopers and haul them out. If they give armed resistance (to either serving the warrants or in refusing to respond to the warrants), arrest the whole bleep lot of them, even if that means going in with armored cars and tear gas. If they decide to pull a Waco and commit mass-suicide rather than submit to arrest, let them. Just be bleep sure to be ready and able to prove that they touched off the gasoline instead of your troopers.

posted August 30, 2000  12:38

Its to my understanding most militias have decent training. Or is this wrong? Just how well trained are most of them?

posted August 30, 2000  12:42

I didn't say they shouldn't be arrested, if possible... I just don't think we need the ATF or the military going in to arrest some dude for assault on an officer (if it were murder or attempted murder, then fine, bleep the consequences) and if they can get the _main_ guy (who is wanted for assault, IIRC), it will be alot easier to get the children back to their father. I think it should be on the local law enforcement to handle this situation if possible, and not up to the bleeping federal government.

Enforcing the law should be up to local law enforcement (Texas State Troopers or County Sherrif's Dept. or whomever), unless it is just way beyond their scope.

Let's say they "serve the bleep warrants". I'd like to see that happen, especially without anyone getting shot in the process... but I doubt it will happen so smoothly. You want another Waco? Sorry, but I'm not willing to go through that again, and have that be the cause of more retaliatory terrorist attacks (like OKC).

posted August 30, 2000  12:52

Hey, I poked around for some info on this guy; check this out.

Its got an interview with him, amoung other things.

posted August 30, 2000  12:56

Well, you didn't post a smiley or use the <sarcasm> tags. People believe weirder things, so yes, I took you seriously.

posted August 30, 2000  13:02

So we just leave them there, Glocksman? Because that is what the "low-key" approach amounts to. They've been trying the "low-key" approach since spring, with no results whatsoever. Near as I can tell from what I've dug up on the case, the "low-key" approach amounts to nothing more than issuing warrants with no intent to serve them, and cutting off utilities that haven't been paid for months (and that the compound can do without anyway).

Given the way that these people have positioned themselves, it is pretty bleep obvious that they want another Waco; they want martyrdom. If the sherrif or state troopers do anything other than what they are doing now, these clowns will grab it as an excuse to start their little holy war (probably with the same apocalyptic end as at Waco). If the law enforcement folks do nothing, then a clear and concise message has been sent to every bunker full of nuts in the country that they can do whatever they want so long as they keep a bunch of kids in the bunker as hostages.

By all means, every effort should be make to avoid doing anything to that "KIDS INSIDE" bunker. If these fanatics do decide to go in and kill the kids in a "we won't let anyone win" move, put the survivors up on murder charges, but don't blame the police for doing their job.

posted August 30, 2000  13:13

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So we just leave them there, Glocksman? Because that is what the "low-key" approach amounts to. They've been trying the "low-key" approach since spring, with no results whatsoever.

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It worked in dealing with the Freemen in Montana, didn't it? What the LEA's in Texas need to do is consult with some experts in that kind of movement and the thinking of its' adherents. Get their advice and proceed from there. Maybe the best plan is to do a smash-n-grab, but from the limited info I have, waiting seems much more preferable to putting kids at risk in order to effect an arrest on a simple assault charge. If we were talking about someone who is an immediate threat to the life of others or was a murderer, my opinion may change, but the lesson from Waco and Ruby Ridge is that to simply wait and see is preferable to a "let's get on the 6 O'Clock news" SWAT raid that can get people killed.

posted August 30, 2000  13:24

I clicked on the chatroom link, but no one was home. Looks like the "Kingdom of Heaven" is a lonely place.

Feh. More nuts in overalls and straw hats.

Hippies...

posted August 30, 2000  19:53

The "wacky Texan" in question is going to be on the Alex Jones show tonight. 10pm - 1am Eastern.

He's on right now.

[This message was edited by PreciousBodilyFluids on August 31, 2000 at 22:10.]

posted August 31, 2000  22:05